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Post by Ibanezergoode on Dec 28, 2010 17:17:48 GMT
Means he is virtually undropable!
I have never agreed with making any keeper captain let alone an average one like Carson.
After Carsons woeful performance today Myhill must be wondering how he will ever get a game!
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Post by Lumpmaster Heath on Dec 28, 2010 18:01:04 GMT
How dare you say a bad word against King Scotty! I can't actually offer you anything he does that is actually any good, but i won't here you pour out your irrational hatred of him on here!
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Post by rommel on Dec 28, 2010 18:06:06 GMT
Did you mean you won't HEAR  ?? |
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Post by The Cruel Sea on Dec 28, 2010 18:08:14 GMT
I don't understand the "he won't be dropped because he's Captain" stuff. The reason that he's captain is that for RDM it's unimportant. In Italy generally goes to the most famous player and is nothing more than symbolic.
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Post by minstrel on Dec 28, 2010 18:44:46 GMT
There are plenty of things wrong, but it starts with that pillock between the sticks. The vast majority of the goals we have conceded in the last 3 games have come from balls put into our 6 yard box. A decent keeper comes and collects them, or ensures everyone is marked. This mute just stands there watching.
I grant you he is a good shot stopper, but if he can't organise & command his 6 yard box then I'm afraid he is a liability. We keep changing players, but there has been one thing consistent this season, and that's Scott Carson in goal, with just one clean sheet to show for it. He needs to go, now.
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Post by supamart on Dec 28, 2010 18:46:54 GMT
Agree. See my previous post. Blackburns sub keeper is better than 'our Scotty' - get rid NOW
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Post by minstrel on Dec 28, 2010 18:49:27 GMT
I wonder if Kiely is coaching him to play this way?? I've always hated line keepers, unless you have world class defenders, and our defenders are very ordinary at this level.
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Post by WrightyWBA on Dec 28, 2010 19:02:44 GMT
I wonder if Kiely is coaching him to play this way?? I've always hated line keepers, unless you have world class defenders, and our defenders are very ordinary at this level. Exactly, Deano isnt a great keeper at coming off his line and claming balls in the air. I have always stood by carson and i havent seem the 2 goals again from set pieces so i couldnt say whos fault it was, in terms of kicking today the defenders infront of him gave him some fucking useless passes back and put him under alot of pressure. Everyone must take blame for the goals today |
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Post by vivapalastinia on Dec 28, 2010 19:14:09 GMT
Yet more Alan Partridge lap-dance day dreams from the grade A biff in goal eh?
thank god for this site, oldburyWBA has just banned half a dozen on .com for talking about poor "scottie"
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Post by mish on Dec 28, 2010 20:53:40 GMT
Carson was less culpable than the defence for all three goals today. The third in particular, when everyone switched off to allow a short corner with no Albion player near, was atrocious concentration. Still, if we drop Carson all our problems in defence will magically go away.  |
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Post by minstrel on Dec 28, 2010 21:05:54 GMT
He's been culpable too many times this season, and more and more people are now realising it.
As for blame, the simple facts are that goals 2 & 3 came from crosses into the 6 yard box that he didn't deal with. Yes others made mistakes, I agree, but so did he. It's time for a change.
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Post by mish on Dec 28, 2010 21:17:43 GMT
Fair enough, but in my opinion it's got to the stage where a lot of people are looking to blame Carson before anyone else even gets criticised. For example, where was Jara for the first goal?
The second was a deep cross, so whoever didn't deal with that first ball has to take some blame, and I'd be interested in seeing both headers again - you may be right, I may be wrong, but I would say others have to hold their hands up and say they screwed up.
I still maintain I'm right on the third goal. You don't leave one defender with two attackers from a short corner, let alone none.
As for problems all season, maybe so, you'll have seen more games than me.
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Post by Astlebridge on Dec 28, 2010 21:21:15 GMT
Tamas didn't win the first header for the second goal. Goalscorer was unmarked. Jara turned his back when they took the corner for the third goal.
Balls into the six yard box though. Their goalie grabbed a couple of those out of the sky down the other end.
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Post by minstrel on Dec 28, 2010 21:24:25 GMT
Tamas didn't win the first header for the second goal. Goalscorer was unmarked. Jara turned his back when they took the corner for the third goal. Balls into the six yard box though. Their goalie grabbed a couple of those out of the sky down the other end. This is the crux of the matter. A good keeper will come and take the ball in the 6 yard box, and clear out anyone in his way, like the Blackburn keeper did. Yes our players should have done better marking, but we have 1 player in our area that is allowed to jump, and also use his hands. This is the person who should be collecting crosses. |
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Post by Astlebridge on Dec 28, 2010 21:27:23 GMT
Tamas didn't win the first header for the second goal. Goalscorer was unmarked. Jara turned his back when they took the corner for the third goal. Balls into the six yard box though. Their goalie grabbed a couple of those out of the sky down the other end. This is the crux of the matter. A good keeper will come and take the ball in the 6 yard box, and clear out anyone in his way, like the Blackburn keeper did. Yes our players should have done better marking, but we have 1 player in our area that is allowed to jump, and also use his hands. This is the person who should be collecting crosses. Word. And it's not like he's a short arse weed either. He's a big bloody bloke. Very irritating. |
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Post by sickparrot on Dec 28, 2010 22:05:56 GMT
He made a great save on that one on one, if he hadnt it would have been his first assist this season.
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Post by Astlebridge on Dec 28, 2010 22:11:49 GMT
He made a great save on that one on one, if he hadnt it would have been his first assist this season. Arf! I didn't know what you were on about until I read it a few times. |
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Post by Statto on Dec 28, 2010 22:37:15 GMT
Here we go again. No keeper in the Premier league will come and claim a corner that goes beyond the far post. It was a free header. Someone had a man they were designated to mark and they lost him.
Carson may have done better with the second cross, I'll judge after seeing a replay. However, players turning their backs and allowing a short corner to be whipped in at that height is criminal.
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Post by hawkingshalfpipe on Dec 28, 2010 22:40:06 GMT
Here we go again. No keeper in the Premier league will come and claim a corner that goes beyond the far post. It was a free header. Someone had a man they were designated to mark and they lost him. Carson may have done better with the second cross, I'll judge after seeing a replay. However, players turning their backs and allowing a short corner to be whipped in at that height is criminal. Very good. What's your take on the first gift goal? |
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Post by Statto on Dec 28, 2010 22:58:39 GMT
I was side on to it in the East Stand. I agreed with those around me that it was 50/50 whether he'd have got there. Questions have to be asked about how Kalanic had the freedom of the Hawthorns with no defenders in sight, from one straight ball. Sharner does some things exceptionally well, but strikers run off him too easily. There was also no pressure on the pass.
If Carson had rushed out and not got there or brought him down he'd have been slated. He may have done better, but once again shouldn't have been in the position.
One difference with Bunn was that their fans got right behind him from the second he came on. Carson put a kick out of play at half way from a shocking back pass and got a world of abuse.
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Post by Stayin-up on Dec 28, 2010 23:02:40 GMT
Means he is virtually undropable! I have never agreed with making any keeper captain let alone an average one like Carson. After Carsons woeful performance today Myhill must be wondering how he will ever get a game! Captain fuggin chaos - there's a village missing an irriot somewhere |
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Post by Lumpmaster Heath on Dec 28, 2010 23:04:00 GMT
I was side on to it in the East Stand. I agreed with those around me that it was 50/50 whether he'd have got there. Questions have to be asked about how Kalanic had the freedom of the Hawthorns with no defenders in sight, from one straight ball. Sharner does some things exceptionally well, but strikers run off him too easily. There was also no pressure on the pass. If Carson had rushed out and not got there or brought him down he'd have been slated. He may have done better, but once again shouldn't have been in the position. One difference with Bunn was that their fans got right behind him from the second he came on. Carson put a kick out of play at half way from a shocking back pass and got a world of abuse. The difference with Bunn is that he is clearly a better keeper. Handled everything well, commanded, inspired confidence in back line. End of. |
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Post by Astlebridge on Dec 28, 2010 23:09:41 GMT
East Stand upper left consensus was 70/30 in his favour if he hadn't dithered but as you say straight red after 3 mins probably went through his mind. I think the huge gap between defenders and Carson was increased due to Carson starting to come out. They still should have been running back but I think they saw him come and thought he was gonna come and clear it.
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Post by Astlebridge on Dec 28, 2010 23:12:14 GMT
Means he is virtually undropable! I have never agreed with making any keeper captain let alone an average one like Carson. After Carsons woeful performance today Myhill must be wondering how he will ever get a game! Captain fuggin chaos DUN DUN DUH! I've always wanted to be Captain USA! Mr Martin laughed first. |
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Post by Statto on Dec 28, 2010 23:16:33 GMT
Good defenders get back on the line in case the striker gets driven wide. Scharner doesn't work so well in reverse, as we saw at Bolton. Carson and Tamas seem to the scapegoats at the minute, but the whole unit isn't performing defensively. For me, two more defensive midfielders are required and Dorrans in the advanced role for Morrison. Brunt on the right, The Unit from the bench as an impact player.
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Post by Astlebridge on Dec 28, 2010 23:18:15 GMT
Sounds good to me, Statto. There's a place for Mozza for me though. He was great first half.
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Post by Statto on Dec 28, 2010 23:23:12 GMT
The difference with Bunn is that he is clearly a better keeper. Handled everything well, commanded, inspired confidence in back line. End of. He had a good 45 minutes, where things went for him. Easy isn't it? We hung crosses high, exactly the same type that Carson dealt with first half. Our final ball was shocking pretty much apart from the goal. Tchoyi is a world beater on edited highlights. Not quite today though. |
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Post by Statto on Dec 28, 2010 23:26:24 GMT
Sounds good to me, Statto. There's a place for Mozza for me though. He was great first half. I agree, but think he needs a rest. I know his shot was good, but he looks devoid of confidence in front of goal and a goal looks miles away. Dorrans did everything right, just Robinson produced a superb save. In his current role, he doesn't get in those positions enough. |
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Post by Astlebridge on Dec 28, 2010 23:30:41 GMT
He was O/S for our goal. Great ball retention then a great pass for the Unit.
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Post by Zizou on Dec 28, 2010 23:35:54 GMT
Tchyoi was shite today
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