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Post by PB on Jan 10, 2011 10:37:00 GMT
I always thought Shrek was being harsh on Scotty in claiming he never looks remotely likely to save a penalty, but I've finally come around to his way of thinking. While the lad has made a few excellent saves on occasions, can anyone seriously remember a game where they could say Carson was solely responsible for us taking something from it?
We've only had one clean sheet all season. You can argue about the defence being poor but a good goalkeeper would have more than that. We should be breaking the door down to Citeh to try and get Shay Given in on loan. He is someone who I think would make a huge difference.
Myhill isn't the answer either. Hasn't looked particularly solid in the games I have seen him. If we do not get this position sorted out before the window closes - be that a loan signing or one of our current keepers finding some form and confidence - then relegation is unavoidable.
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Post by Camp Freddy on Jan 10, 2011 10:48:09 GMT
Fucking hell.
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Post by PB on Jan 10, 2011 10:50:09 GMT
It's my MBO entry.
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Post by Baggie_Shrek on Jan 10, 2011 11:59:33 GMT
I always thought Shrek was being harsh on Scotty in claiming he never looks remotely likely to save a penalty, but I've finally come around to his way of thinking. While the lad has made a few excellent saves on occasions, can anyone seriously remember a game where they could say Carson was solely responsible for us taking something from it? We've only had one clean sheet all season. You can argue about the defence being poor but a good goalkeeper would have more than that. We should be breaking the door down to Citeh to try and get Shay Given in on loan. He is someone who I think would make a huge difference. Myhill isn't the answer either. Hasn't looked particularly solid in the games I have seen him. If we do not get this position sorted out before the window closes - be that a loan signing or one of our current keepers finding some form and confidence - then relegation is unavoidable. I don't agree with that. Whilst I'd still be looking for a new keeper for the summer I don't think we need one right now. I'd much prefer our limited resources are put into the outfield, in particular defence and attack right now... |
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Post by baggienick on Jan 10, 2011 12:04:15 GMT
Agreed.
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Post by Elmo on Jan 10, 2011 12:08:48 GMT
Albion linked with Fedderico Machetti, Calgari's goalkeeper in Italian press. He played three games in recent world cup.
Hasn't played since
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Post by Jammin on Jan 10, 2011 12:11:44 GMT
Albion linked with Fedderico Machetti, Calgari's goalkeeper in Italian press. He played three games in recent world cup. Hasn't played since  |
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Post by PB on Jan 10, 2011 12:13:35 GMT
I always thought Shrek was being harsh on Scotty in claiming he never looks remotely likely to save a penalty, but I've finally come around to his way of thinking. While the lad has made a few excellent saves on occasions, can anyone seriously remember a game where they could say Carson was solely responsible for us taking something from it? We've only had one clean sheet all season. You can argue about the defence being poor but a good goalkeeper would have more than that. We should be breaking the door down to Citeh to try and get Shay Given in on loan. He is someone who I think would make a huge difference. Myhill isn't the answer either. Hasn't looked particularly solid in the games I have seen him. If we do not get this position sorted out before the window closes - be that a loan signing or one of our current keepers finding some form and confidence - then relegation is unavoidable. I don't agree with that. Whilst I'd still be looking for a new keeper for the summer I don't think we need one right now. I'd much prefer our limited resources are put into the outfield, in particular defence and attack right now... Oh yes I agree. But I want a keeper as well - in a perfect world. |
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Post by baggienick on Jan 10, 2011 12:18:52 GMT
We have a keeper problem but this has only been highlighted because the useless twats in front of them aren't good enough.
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Post by rommel on Jan 10, 2011 12:31:46 GMT
Ya got that the wrong way round nick !!!!! The defence's
confidence is shattered because they know there's F.All cover behind them !
Show me a great defence and I'll show you a good goalkeeper !
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Post by bayliss on Jan 10, 2011 12:36:44 GMT
Ya got that the wrong way round nick !!!!! The defence's confidence is shattered because they know there's F.All cover behind them ! Show me a great defence and I'll show you a good goalkeeper ! But which came first? The Dinosaur, or the Sundog? |
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Post by Wolves_Caravan_Club on Jan 10, 2011 12:38:42 GMT
Ya got that the wrong way round nick !!!!! The defence's confidence is shattered because they know there's F.All cover behind them ! Show me a great defence and I'll show you a good goalkeeper ! But which came first? The Dinosaur, or the Sundog? the dinosaur party?  ? |
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Post by hawkingshalfpipe on Jan 10, 2011 12:57:20 GMT
Yippee - another SC thread!
Let's put aside the fact that he's shit for a minute and consider the bigger picture. The problem with replacing SC is that - I believe - both Ashworth and the club saw it as a real coup when we pulled off the Carson signing. In fact, I'm willing to bet that whenever baldy gives Gashy an appraisal, 'Scott Carson' is written boldly beneath the section entitled 'What aspects of the job have you done well'?
Whilst he hadn't long lost his England place after that shocker against Croatia, I still believe that in many circles that SC was seen as one of the brightest young prospects in English goalkeeping at the time we signed him. Therefore, by the same token our board were probably unanimous in the belief that we had really exhibited ambition and sound business sense in luring him to the Hawthorns. It might also helped have that he's probably quite an amiable chap and a good, honest family man.
Unfortunately, whilst the rest of the world fairly quickly began to no longer recognise him as a future starlet, the group-think of our boardroom and management staff continued to see otherwise; most likely because they probably didn't want their balance sheet to reflect a sizeably poor investment. So someone somewhere had the bright idea of making him captain, which was absolutely the wrong thing to do.
Now I'm not suggesting for a minute that there is some kind of mandate in place whereby SC must play if fit, nor that there is any direct pressure on RDM to play him. But this pressure doesn't have to be direct or even mentioned to exist, and it may or may not have been at the back of RDM's mind over the last few weeks when everything has been going to shit and it would have otherwise been quite easy to make that decision.
I truly hope that RDM sticks by his decision and retains Myhill this weekend, otherwise it is quite clear that either RDM's judgement or perhaps something more sinister within the club is seriously fucked up.
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Post by scuba on Jan 10, 2011 13:11:27 GMT
We have a keeper problem but this has only been highlighted because the useless twats in front of them aren't good enough. Fucking hell I agree with Nick. This is a sad, sad day. ;D |
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Post by Zizou on Jan 10, 2011 13:50:48 GMT
Yippee - another SC thread! Let's put aside the fact that he's shit for a minute and consider the bigger picture. The problem with replacing SC is that - I believe - both Ashworth and the club saw it as a real coup when we pulled off the Carson signing. In fact, I'm willing to bet that whenever baldy gives Gashy an appraisal, 'Scott Carson' is written boldly beneath the section entitled 'What aspects of the job have you done well'? Whilst he hadn't long lost his England place after that shocker against Croatia, I still believe that in many circles that SC was seen as one of the brightest young prospects in English goalkeeping at the time we signed him. Therefore, by the same token our board were probably unanimous in the belief that we had really exhibited ambition and sound business sense in luring him to the Hawthorns. It might also helped have that he's probably quite an amiable chap and a good, honest family man. Unfortunately, whilst the rest of the world fairly quickly began to no longer recognise him as a future starlet, the group-think of our boardroom and management staff continued to see otherwise; most likely because they probably didn't want their balance sheet to reflect a sizeably poor investment. So someone somewhere had the bright idea of making him captain, which was absolutely the wrong thing to do. Now I'm not suggesting for a minute that there is some kind of mandate in place whereby SC must play if fit, nor that there is any direct pressure on RDM to play him. But this pressure doesn't have to be direct or even mentioned to exist, and it may or may not have been at the back of RDM's mind over the last few weeks when everything has been going to shit and it would have been quite easy to make that decision. I truly hope that RDM sticks by his decision and retains Myhill this weekend, otherwise it is quite clear that either RDM's judgement or perhaps something more sinister within the club is seriously fucked up. Have to say best post on the Scott Carson debate I've read. We need to accept as a Club that the signing has not worked. Problem is we signed another 'average' GK for £1.5m in the Summer. Carson won't ever play for England. He has not developed since THAT mistake v Croatia. A Good man but not good enough. He doesn't deserve the abuse he gets from Brom fans. But neither does he deserve Captaining WBA and earning £18K. Oh just why couldn't Stoke beat us to signing him!!!! |
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Post by Abelard Snazz on Jan 10, 2011 14:06:24 GMT
Of course, had Stoke signed him, he'd have been turning in decent performances all over the shop. You've got to look at the quality of goalkeeping coaching that we've offered in recent years. Corrigan was largely responsible for the decline of Liverpool's keepers prior to Barny luring him here with the promise of a few pints; he did nothing to improve our keepers during that period (in fact, didn't Kirkland turn out to be far less impressive in an Albion shirt than he had been elsewhere?). Now Keily's there, a keeper with a lot of experience but very little in the coaching sphere.
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Post by Shabby Russian on Jan 10, 2011 14:53:00 GMT
If Carson had signed for Stoke, he probably would not have to worry about conceding goals from set plays.
I agree with Nick! - Much of Carson's problems, stem from playing behind defenders who are not up to the job of defending set pieces.
I'm sure this story is made up, but if we are after this Italian goalie, what this is it tell us about our policy for buying players.It would suggest Myhill is not seen as a credible alternative to Carson, despite us spending money on him in the summer.
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Post by hawkingshalfpipe on Jan 10, 2011 15:18:06 GMT
Have to say best post on the Scott Carson debate I've read. We need to accept as a Club that the signing has not worked. Problem is we signed another 'average' GK for £1.5m in the Summer. Carson won't ever play for England. He has not developed since THAT mistake v Croatia. A Good man but not good enough. He doesn't deserve the abuse he gets from Brom fans. But neither does he deserve Captaining WBA and earning £18K. Oh just why couldn't Stoke beat us to signing him!!!! Cheers. Although what I really wanted to say - in an angry RATM style -was 'Some of those who please bosses... are the same that drop crosses.' |
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Post by botn on Jan 10, 2011 15:23:32 GMT
'Some of those who please bosses... are the same that drop crosses.' +1 |
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Post by Abelard Snazz on Jan 10, 2011 15:26:57 GMT
Although what I really wanted to say - in an angry RATM style -was 'Some of those who please bosses... are the same that drop crosses.' Have an exalt. Best laugh of the day |
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Post by bayliss on Jan 10, 2011 15:37:24 GMT
Have to say best post on the Scott Carson debate I've read. We need to accept as a Club that the signing has not worked. Problem is we signed another 'average' GK for £1.5m in the Summer. Carson won't ever play for England. He has not developed since THAT mistake v Croatia. A Good man but not good enough. He doesn't deserve the abuse he gets from Brom fans. But neither does he deserve Captaining WBA and earning £18K. Oh just why couldn't Stoke beat us to signing him!!!! Cheers. Although what I really wanted to say - in an angry RATM style -was 'Some of those who please bosses... are the same that drop crosses.' Well it don't please this supporter Because he's doin what he shouldna oughter. |
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Post by Wolves_Caravan_Club on Jan 10, 2011 15:50:01 GMT
I thought this thread was about the porcelain ffs
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Post by Shep on Jan 10, 2011 16:14:43 GMT
Albion linked with Fedderico Machetti, Calgari's goalkeeper in Italian press. He played three games in recent world cup. Hasn't played since So we're sticking in another bid for Trejo, then? |
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Post by Paulie Walnuts on Jan 10, 2011 20:50:34 GMT
So we're sticking in another bid for Trejo, then? Loffin ;D |
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Post by Stayin-up on Jan 10, 2011 22:03:12 GMT
I always thought Shrek was being harsh on Scotty in claiming he never looks remotely likely to save a penalty, but I've finally come around to his way of thinking. While the lad has made a few excellent saves on occasions, can anyone seriously remember a game where they could say Carson was solely responsible for us taking something from it? We've only had one clean sheet all season. You can argue about the defence being poor but a good goalkeeper would have more than that. We should be breaking the door down to Citeh to try and get Shay Given in on loan. He is someone who I think would make a huge difference. Myhill isn't the answer either. Hasn't looked particularly solid in the games I have seen him. If we do not get this position sorted out before the window closes - be that a loan signing or one of our current keepers finding some form and confidence - then relegation is unavoidable. Is it brown? |
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Post by WrightyWBA on Jan 10, 2011 23:14:13 GMT
It might also helped have that he's probably quite an amiable chap and a good, honest family man. Jason Robert is fuming F U M I N G |
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