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Post by flipper on Apr 12, 2012 11:35:19 GMT
The NUT & NASUWT have voted to go on strike due to the proposed changes in public sector pensions.
Here's a better idea for them regarding saving for their old age - get another job during the 14-16 weeks off they have ever year.
Lazy bastards.
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Post by Dharma_Albion on Apr 12, 2012 11:45:10 GMT
Hi Freddy.
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Post by cunninghamismagic on Apr 12, 2012 11:46:01 GMT
They should strike between mid July & the beginning of September
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Post by Mine's half full on Apr 12, 2012 11:46:06 GMT
Loony Left teachers. Are they all Welsh?
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Post by Bowie on Apr 12, 2012 11:52:44 GMT
I'm interested in these public sector pension changes. Are there any public sector pension beneficiaries who won't be affected by the worse conditions being imposed?
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Post by SausEggSarnie on Apr 12, 2012 11:56:32 GMT
Is this to do with raising their retirement age in line with everyone else in the country under government proposals?
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Post by WBA Baracus on Apr 12, 2012 12:06:17 GMT
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Post by Shabby Russian on Apr 12, 2012 12:11:12 GMT
Is this to do with raising their retirement age in line with everyone else in the country under government proposals? No this is to do with the chronic shortage of teachers in 5 years time. |
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Post by Bowie on Apr 12, 2012 12:13:42 GMT
Don't worry Shabby, Govey is fast-tracking blokes from Afghan to the classroom because of their huge range of transferrable skills.
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Post by Shabby Russian on Apr 12, 2012 12:17:30 GMT
Don't worry Shabby, Govey is fast-tracking blokes from Afghan to the classroom because of their huge range of transferrable skills. Can they teach Latin - if not Gove won't want to know. |
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Post by Fido on Apr 12, 2012 12:18:05 GMT
Is that James Corden on the right? |
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Post by hawkingshalfpipe on Apr 12, 2012 12:20:12 GMT
I think there should be a rule in this country whereby only teachers without rank breath should be permitted to strike.
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Post by beeston on Apr 12, 2012 12:26:35 GMT
I know, let's have a race where we see who can achieve totally shit conditions of service first! And when we've done that, let's abolish the public sector altogether.
Oh.......
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Post by ij21 on Apr 12, 2012 12:34:13 GMT
The NUT & NASUWT have voted to go on strike due to the proposed changes in public sector pensions. Here's a better idea for them regarding saving for their old age - get another job during the 14-16 weeks off they have ever year. Lazy bastards. Number of week days in a year 52 X 5 = 260 Number of days that children must legally go to school = 190 Number of teacher/training days = 5 260 – 195 = 65 days The average leave and public holidays in the EU is 34 days and does not include weekends. 65 -34 = 31 31 / 7 = 4 weeks 3 days Teachers get just over four weeks, to use your descriptor (31 days) more than the average worker across Europe. Before you implode you should consider the above. You should also consider that most teachers have to spend considerably more than 35 – 40 hours per week, teaching, preparing lessons, marking, writing reports, recording progress, preparing courses, attending meetings, keeping up to date on subject matter , meeting parents, thinking about how best to deliver the curriculum and contributing to extra-curricular activities e.g. running a football team or choir practice. I have probably missed a few things out. I certainly spent a considerable amount of my leave (let’s not call it holiday) doing “stuff” to do with school. Perhaps you could also reflect that when you go into a job you consider the benefits e.g. holidays, then you embark on the two years of “A” levels, 3 years at Uni, and 1 year post graduate training, you get no pay and you in fact pay them to train you. I believe 50% of teachers leave before they have completed their first five years. Says it all doesn’t it. Now if it were all that straight forward, you would of course do the job, but as you have demonstrated by your brainless comment, it may be beyond you. I doubt you have the personality to last more than five minutes in a classroom! |
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Post by SausEggSarnie on Apr 12, 2012 12:42:39 GMT
Teachers do a good job, don't get me wrong, but what exactly are they striking about? That was my question.
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Post by Bowie on Apr 12, 2012 12:47:45 GMT
They have a contract in place that the government want to break to pay for the tax breaks they are giving to millionairres and multinational corporations.
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Post by Shabby Russian on Apr 12, 2012 12:51:00 GMT
What IJ21 said.
I'm not a teacher, but i am a school governor and know that good teachers work incredibly hard, it is certainly no 9-5 job.
The changes that are taking place in education are worrying to say the least.
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Post by flipper on Apr 12, 2012 12:58:25 GMT
The NUT & NASUWT have voted to go on strike due to the proposed changes in public sector pensions. Here's a better idea for them regarding saving for their old age - get another job during the 14-16 weeks off they have ever year. Lazy bastards. Number of week days in a year 52 X 5 = 260 Number of days that children must legally go to school = 190 Number of teacher/training days = 5 260 – 195 = 65 days The average leave and public holidays in the EU is 34 days and does not include weekends. 65 -34 = 31 31 / 7 = 4 weeks 3 days Teachers get just over four weeks, to use your descriptor (31 days) more than the average worker across Europe. Before you implode you should consider the above. You should also consider that most teachers have to spend considerably more than 35 – 40 hours per week, teaching, preparing lessons, marking, writing reports, recording progress, preparing courses, attending meetings, keeping up to date on subject matter , meeting parents, thinking about how best to deliver the curriculum and contributing to extra-curricular activities e.g. running a football team or choir practice. I have probably missed a few things out. I certainly spent a considerable amount of my leave (let’s not call it holiday) doing “stuff” to do with school. Perhaps you could also reflect that when you go into a job you consider the benefits e.g. holidays, then you embark on the two years of “A” levels, 3 years at Uni, and 1 year post graduate training, you get no pay and you in fact pay them to train you. I believe 50% of teachers leave before they have completed their first five years. Says it all doesn’t it. Now if it were all that straight forward, you would of course do the job, but as you have demonstrated by your brainless comment, it may be beyond you. I doubt you have the personality to last more than five minutes in a classroom! Feb 1/2 term = 5 days Easter = 10 days Summer 1/2 term = 5 days Summer Holidays = 30 days October 1/2 term = 5days Xmas Hols = 10 days There's 13 working weeks before we've got into 'PPA' time. |
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Post by ij21 on Apr 12, 2012 13:05:51 GMT
Teachers do a good job, don't get me wrong, but what exactly are they striking about? That was my question. As far as I understand things: There is no teachers’ pension fund. Teachers’ pension contributions have always gone straight into the treasury. When a teacher retires the government pay the pension. Over the years of course, all teachers have made these contributions and they have a total value. Many years ago teachers asked if they could have a proper fund, but this was denied by the then government. Teachers have been asking for a proper valuation so that the figures can be calculated, but the government will not provide one! I think that a valuation would show that the current teachers’ pension is more than affordable following the deal that was done a few years ago. The world financial crisis is being used as a cover by the government to demand that teachers pay an extra 30% and retire older, it should not come as a surprise if there is a strike. |
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Post by hawkingshalfpipe on Apr 12, 2012 13:08:27 GMT
What's a teachers pension like anyhow?
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Post by ij21 on Apr 12, 2012 13:13:20 GMT
Number of week days in a year 52 X 5 = 260 Number of days that children must legally go to school = 190 Number of teacher/training days = 5 260 – 195 = 65 days The average leave and public holidays in the EU is 34 days and does not include weekends. 65 -34 = 31 31 / 7 = 4 weeks 3 days Teachers get just over four weeks, to use your descriptor (31 days) more than the average worker across Europe. Before you implode you should consider the above. You should also consider that most teachers have to spend considerably more than 35 – 40 hours per week, teaching, preparing lessons, marking, writing reports, recording progress, preparing courses, attending meetings, keeping up to date on subject matter , meeting parents, thinking about how best to deliver the curriculum and contributing to extra-curricular activities e.g. running a football team or choir practice. I have probably missed a few things out. I certainly spent a considerable amount of my leave (let’s not call it holiday) doing “stuff” to do with school. Perhaps you could also reflect that when you go into a job you consider the benefits e.g. holidays, then you embark on the two years of “A” levels, 3 years at Uni, and 1 year post graduate training, you get no pay and you in fact pay them to train you. I believe 50% of teachers leave before they have completed their first five years. Says it all doesn’t it. Now if it were all that straight forward, you would of course do the job, but as you have demonstrated by your brainless comment, it may be beyond you. I doubt you have the personality to last more than five minutes in a classroom! Feb 1/2 term = 5 days Easter = 10 days Summer 1/2 term = 5 days Summer Holidays = 30 days October 1/2 term = 5days Xmas Hols = 10 days There's 13 working weeks before we've got into 'PPA' time. Go forth and teach, waste not any more time. Before you do, could you tell me what you actually do for a living. |
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Post by Dharma_Albion on Apr 12, 2012 13:15:36 GMT
Feb 1/2 term = 5 days Easter = 10 days Summer 1/2 term = 5 days Summer Holidays = 30 days October 1/2 term = 5days Xmas Hols = 10 days There's 13 working weeks before we've got into 'PPA' time. Go forth and teach, waste not any more time. Before you do, could you tell me what you actually do for a living. Petrol Pump attendant in Highley. Like, duh! |
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Post by secondtimer on Apr 12, 2012 13:15:41 GMT
Don't know his full time occupation but I heard he might partake in tit cricket at the weekend
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Post by SausEggSarnie on Apr 12, 2012 13:18:32 GMT
Teachers do a good job, don't get me wrong, but what exactly are they striking about? That was my question. As far as I understand things: There is no teachers’ pension fund. Teachers’ pension contributions have always gone straight into the treasury. When a teacher retires the government pay the pension. Over the years of course, all teachers have made these contributions and they have a total value. Many years ago teachers asked if they could have a proper fund, but this was denied by the then government. Teachers have been asking for a proper valuation so that the figures can be calculated, but the government will not provide one! I think that a valuation would show that the current teachers’ pension is more than affordable following the deal that was done a few years ago. The world financial crisis is being used as a cover by the government to demand that teachers pay an extra 30% and retire older, it should not come as a surprise if there is a strike. Ah right. OK so it is the government being wankers this time then. OK let 'em strike. Cheers ij21 |
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Post by ij21 on Apr 12, 2012 13:19:10 GMT
What's a teachers pension like anyhow? It depends on how much you earn, but it is a final salary scheme, calculated by eightieths. So if you earned 40 000 and worked for 40 years you would have forty eightieths ie half pay £20 000. Plus a lump sum. All the info is available if you want to look it up. |
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Post by flipper on Apr 12, 2012 13:23:11 GMT
Feb 1/2 term = 5 days Easter = 10 days Summer 1/2 term = 5 days Summer Holidays = 30 days October 1/2 term = 5days Xmas Hols = 10 days There's 13 working weeks before we've got into 'PPA' time. Go forth and teach, waste not any more time. Before you do, could you tell me what you actually do for a living. Office Manager  |
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Post by Fido on Apr 12, 2012 13:23:49 GMT
What's a teachers pension like anyhow? It depends on how much you earn, but it is a final salary scheme, calculated by eightieths. So if you earned 40 000 and worked for 40 years you would have forty eightieths ie half pay. Plus a lump sum. All the info is available if you want to look it up. Blimey. Our final salary scheme is paid in 54ths. No lump sum but I'd assumed teachers would be on similar if not better. |
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Post by ij21 on Apr 12, 2012 13:31:50 GMT
Go forth and teach, waste not any more time. Before you do, could you tell me what you actually do for a living. Office Manager Similar job to my son I expect, he has an economics degree and was considering being a teacher until his partner did her PGCE. He has changed his mind after seeing the amount of work she has to do. He does'nt like his job either! |
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Post by Bibbel on Apr 12, 2012 14:08:30 GMT
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Post by bobmonkhouseclique on Apr 12, 2012 15:57:34 GMT
The NUT & NASUWT have voted to go on strike due to the proposed changes in public sector pensions. Here's a better idea for them regarding saving for their old age - get another job during the 14-16 weeks off they have ever year. Lazy bastards. Heres an idea Fuck off loyalist you wanker |
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