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Post by bobmonkhouseclique on Jul 25, 2012 10:39:15 GMT
Its Gordon Brown's fault
The Eton Toffs plan has not worked
And anyone who has an ounce of nous or can learn anything from history could have told em it wouldnt
Wankers
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Post by SausEggSarnie on Jul 25, 2012 10:42:36 GMT
They need to reduce VAT and tax for businesses pronto if they want any kind of speedy resolution. Their plan has certainly failed will cause long term damage if it isn't rectified quickly.
He needs to admit the plan has failed, stop blaming things like snow, jubilee, double bank holidays. The bloke is a tit.
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Post by PK on Jul 25, 2012 10:55:00 GMT
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Post by theunit on Jul 25, 2012 11:05:48 GMT
Its Gordon Brown's fault The Eton Toffs plan has not worked And anyone who has an ounce of nous or can learn anything from history could have told em it wouldnt Wankers Down with the Toffs! Bring back Bliar! |
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Post by beano on Jul 25, 2012 11:06:34 GMT
The mess that Cameron and Osbourne are making of the task notwithstanding, many manufacturing companies are showing recovery and growth this year. Such is the scale of the recession and the the reduced size of the manufacturing sector, this is having little impact overall, but it is happening.
Sadly the economy has been founded on service and banking over the last 20 or so years, both have failed for very different reasons, add the deadly duo and we are fooked in the short term.
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Post by Kiskos on Jul 25, 2012 11:17:01 GMT
1100 new jobs at JLR
Yet another example of evil capitalist exploitation of the oppressed proletariat.
They should go on strike ASAP after they have finished their training and got their nice new uniforms.
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Post by collierswoodbaggie on Jul 25, 2012 11:18:33 GMT
What is JLR? A new boy band?
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Post by theunit on Jul 25, 2012 11:19:34 GMT
1100 new jobs at JLR Yet another example of evil capitalist exploitation of the oppressed proletariat. They should go on strike ASAP after they have finished their training and got their nice new uniforms. They will all need a grand bonus before they start, for the Olympics. |
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Post by PK on Jul 25, 2012 11:20:02 GMT
What is JLR? A new boy band? Jaguar Land Rover. |
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Post by Kiskos on Jul 25, 2012 11:43:12 GMT
there's only one thing worse than the sight of George Osborne on TV and that's the sight of Ed Balls.
The redistribution of Ed's hair over his increasingly bulbous fat head is becoming an interesting study in the art of haute coiffure.
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Post by beano on Jul 25, 2012 11:46:40 GMT
Arf ;D
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Post by Tenacious S on Jul 25, 2012 11:51:51 GMT
The mess that Cameron and Osbourne are making of the task notwithstanding, many manufacturing companies are showing recovery and growth this year. Such is the scale of the recession and the the reduced size of the manufacturing sector, this is having little impact overall, but it is happening. Sadly the economy has been founded on service and banking over the last 20 or so years, both have failed for very different reasons, add the deadly duo and we are fooked in the short term. Manufacturing sector as a whole contracted by 1.3%. |
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Post by Kiskos on Jul 25, 2012 12:18:58 GMT
The mess that Cameron and Osbourne are making of the task notwithstanding, many manufacturing companies are showing recovery and growth this year. Such is the scale of the recession and the the reduced size of the manufacturing sector, this is having little impact overall, but it is happening. Sadly the economy has been founded on service and banking over the last 20 or so years, both have failed for very different reasons, add the deadly duo and we are fooked in the short term. Manufacturing sector as a whole contracted by 1.3%. Not surprising really when you consider the temperatures in which they have to work. |
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Post by beano on Jul 25, 2012 12:21:34 GMT
The mess that Cameron and Osbourne are making of the task notwithstanding, many manufacturing companies are showing recovery and growth this year. Such is the scale of the recession and the the reduced size of the manufacturing sector, this is having little impact overall, but it is happening. Sadly the economy has been founded on service and banking over the last 20 or so years, both have failed for very different reasons, add the deadly duo and we are fooked in the short term. Manufacturing sector as a whole contracted by 1.3%. Clearly I cannot argue against the facts collected, but all I can say is that in our business and that of our close partners and even competitors growth is the dominant picture. FWIW I would add that the statistics completed by companies and returned to governemnt bodies are often not to be trusted. In the past that task was always allocated to some accounts junior or estimator, stupid questions and pointless stats are often right at the bottom of managers lists. Wrong perhaps, but we simply wanted to pour time into real business issues. |
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Post by Tenacious S on Jul 25, 2012 12:45:24 GMT
Manufacturing sector as a whole contracted by 1.3%. Clearly I cannot argue against the facts collected, but all I can say is that in our business and that of our close partners and even competitors growth is the dominant picture. FWIW I would add that the statistics completed by companies and returned to governemnt bodies are often not to be trusted. In the past that task was always allocated to some accounts junior or estimator, stupid questions and pointless stats are often right at the bottom of managers lists. Wrong perhaps, but we simply wanted to pour time into real business issues. Tax avoidance lawyers are in a booming business too, but it doesn't mean the country as a whole isn't in recession. Some sectors will be doing well, most aren't. |
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Post by beano on Jul 25, 2012 12:56:42 GMT
Clearly I cannot argue against the facts collected, but all I can say is that in our business and that of our close partners and even competitors growth is the dominant picture. FWIW I would add that the statistics completed by companies and returned to governemnt bodies are often not to be trusted. In the past that task was always allocated to some accounts junior or estimator, stupid questions and pointless stats are often right at the bottom of managers lists. Wrong perhaps, but we simply wanted to pour time into real business issues. Tax avoidance lawyers are in a booming business too, but it doesn't mean the country as a whole isn't in recession. Some sectors will be doing well, most aren't. The Country is in recession no question, I never questioned that fact once. My point was that many parts of manufacturing are showing growth, not huge growth generally. From my viewpoint it is much more hopeful than 3 years ago. |
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Post by Tenacious S on Jul 25, 2012 14:47:30 GMT
Tax avoidance lawyers are in a booming business too, but it doesn't mean the country as a whole isn't in recession. Some sectors will be doing well, most aren't. The Country is in recession no question, I never questioned that fact once. My point was that many parts of manufacturing are showing growth, not huge growth generally. From my viewpoint it is much more hopeful than 3 years ago. Many? Again, given 1.3% shrinkage across the sector I doubt that "many" are showing growth. I don't doubt that some individual sectors are doing well, but they must be relatively small as the whole manufacturing sector has shrunk by 1.3%. |
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Post by Bibbel on Jul 25, 2012 15:38:56 GMT
The mess that Cameron and Osbourne are making of the task notwithstanding, many manufacturing companies are showing recovery and growth this year. Such is the scale of the recession and the the reduced size of the manufacturing sector, this is having little impact overall, but it is happening. Sadly the economy has been founded on service and banking over the last 20 or so years, both have failed That shrinking cake is acyually getting bigger, just statistically smallere. <adjists Tory glasses> for very different reasons, add the deadly duo and we are fooked in the short term. Manufacturing sector as a whole contracted by 1.3%. |
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Post by Prothero on Jul 25, 2012 15:43:45 GMT
I see even the BBC have decided that housing investment might be a good idea. I've been banging on about this ad nauseum for 3 years, nice to see they've caught up. The planning policy bollox is a red herring though. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18978075Construction ALWAYS leads the country out of recession. Any history books will tell you that. Whilst construction remains in the doldrums expect stagnation. Private sector housing bonds are the future, an alternative to appalling gilt yields for pension funds and individuals, no additional public borrowing, volume housing for rent, tens of thousands of skilled and unskilled jobs etc etc etc. |
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Post by theunit on Jul 25, 2012 15:48:54 GMT
The Country is in recession no question, I never questioned that fact once. My point was that many parts of manufacturing are showing growth, not huge growth generally. From my viewpoint it is much more hopeful than 3 years ago. Many? Again, given 1.3% shrinkage across the sector I doubt that "many" are showing growth. I don't doubt that some individual sectors are doing well, but they must be relatively small as the whole manufacturing sector has shrunk by 1.3%. Growth is not the Holy Grail though. |
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Post by Bibbel on Jul 25, 2012 15:55:11 GMT
Clearly not if you are a Tory Boy Chancellor, Unit.
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Post by theunit on Jul 25, 2012 15:58:37 GMT
Clearly not if you are a Tory Boy Chancellor, Unit. True dat. |
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Post by Tenacious S on Jul 25, 2012 16:05:46 GMT
Many? Again, given 1.3% shrinkage across the sector I doubt that "many" are showing growth. I don't doubt that some individual sectors are doing well, but they must be relatively small as the whole manufacturing sector has shrunk by 1.3%. Growth is not the Holy Grail though. Measuring growth is what's used to determine whether we're in recession or not though. |
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Post by baggienick on Jul 25, 2012 16:11:33 GMT
Very true, Mr Logic, very true.
How's Baby Logic, by the way? I take it that she's grasped the finer points of differential calculus by now?
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Post by Tenacious S on Jul 25, 2012 16:14:58 GMT
Very true, Mr Logic, very true. How's Baby Logic, by the way? I take it that she's grasped the finer points of differential calculus by now? Her first words were "BaggieNick's a boring tit" |
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Post by Kiskos on Jul 25, 2012 16:22:03 GMT
I can't believe we are not building houses by the thousands. We have a recession and a housing crisis.
Which bit of the bleedin obvious solution do the government not understand?
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Post by rommel on Jul 25, 2012 16:50:37 GMT
GET 'EM OUT BEFORE THEY TAKE US TO THE DOGS
USELESS FCUCKING TORY GITS !!!!!!!!!!
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Post by theunit on Jul 25, 2012 17:00:03 GMT
Growth is not the Holy Grail though. Measuring growth is what's used to determine whether we're in recession or not though. No shit. |
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Post by Prothero on Jul 25, 2012 17:59:55 GMT
I can't believe we are not building houses by the thousands. We have a recession and a housing crisis. Which bit of the bleedin obvious solution do the government not understand? The self interested bit. |
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Post by Baggie66 on Jul 25, 2012 21:50:54 GMT
Housebuilders want to build houses, but there are three problems.
1- The larger developers have reduced capacity at the moment due to the jobs they have had to shed over the last few years, some of their skilled and experienced workforce have drifted into other jobs, often other trades. This is a fairly minor problem and should be short lived as there are plenty of skilled tradesmen out of work.
2- The biggest problem is that the banks don't want to lend anybody any money anymore for houses, nobody trusts anybody, so even if the builders increased capacity, the speed of building out their sites would still be slow due to the slow rate of sales, hence they would have to shed skilled workers again, vicious circle. Even if they build them, no fugger can get a loan to buy them.
3- Bottom rung of the ladder is way too high for most young couples. The shortage of houses is still keeping prices high, so there is no narrowing of the affordability gap. The only option for some young couples is to use the equity in mom and dads houses, trouble is, the equity in those houses now have to pay for their old folks homes. (and private health care plans once free NHS treatment is fazed out)
Add all this to the fact that we dont have the manufacturing base that we used to have, we can no longer manufacture our way out of the knee deep shit.
Basically, wim fugged
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