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Long
Jul 28, 2012 21:36:05 GMT
Post by Shep on Jul 28, 2012 21:36:05 GMT
I think I'd be prepared to listen to offers, personally. If someone offered £4m-£5m, I think we should call it quits. He didn't really convince last season. I'd look to reinvest the Long and Cox money into a better striker, and go with the new man, Fortune and Odemwingie, with Gera able to support, plus the likes of Berahino, Wood etc in the event of an absolute emergency. As for this: "Long has become a firm fans’ favourite since joining Albion last summer " Hmmmm. www.wba.co.uk/news/article/shanes-not-for-sale-276166.aspx
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Long
Jul 28, 2012 21:49:33 GMT
Post by richbaggie on Jul 28, 2012 21:49:33 GMT
Prior to the Villa game, the lad was doing really well and was becoming a big favourite. He was fantastic against the dings at our place. Then the thug set him back months.
I feel its unfair to judge harshly and I certainly wouldn't sell unless we were getting a top quality replacement AND the Swede.
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Long
Jul 28, 2012 21:52:33 GMT
Post by Bucks on Jul 28, 2012 21:52:33 GMT
Prior to the Villa game, the lad was doing really well and was becoming a big favourite. He was fantastic against the dings at our place. Then the thug set him back months. I feel its unfair to judge harshly and I certainly wouldn't sell unless we were getting a top quality replacement AND the Swede. Yep. Recall his first two games against Manure and Chelski. He was outstanding and a better ball to the Unit, would've seen us go 2 up.
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Shep
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Long
Jul 28, 2012 21:53:43 GMT
Post by Shep on Jul 28, 2012 21:53:43 GMT
Prior to the Villa game, the lad was doing really well and was becoming a big favourite. He was fantastic against the dings at our place. Then the thug set him back months. I feel its unfair to judge harshly and I certainly wouldn't sell unless we were getting a top quality replacement AND the Swede. My opinion is based purely on the assumption we'd get a top-quality replacement. The problem is, of course, it's bloody difficult for a club of our stature getting a top-quality striker. Talking of strikers and Swedes, do we still have an interest in Toivonen?
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Long
Jul 28, 2012 22:06:28 GMT
Post by birdman1811 on Jul 28, 2012 22:06:28 GMT
I don't think there are too many within our budget and would have sufficient interest in us to replace Long, who after all, is behind Odemwingie for the goalscorer position and Fortune as a hold up strike r/ lone forward.
Before Huttons horror tackle and his back problems last season (Which he continued to try to play through as much as possible, many wouldn't have.) He was looking every inch a Premiership class striker, and one who could displace Wingie as our main goal threat. Thanks to Bulldog face he ended up having a very frustrating first season for us.
Given chances I think anyone currently thinking of selling him would be very, very glad we didn't.
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Long
Jul 28, 2012 22:07:55 GMT
Post by collierswoodbaggie on Jul 28, 2012 22:07:55 GMT
8 goals in an injury hit season wasn't a bad return all said. At times he was our most effective forward. KEEP!
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Long
Jul 28, 2012 22:14:22 GMT
Post by Paulie Walnuts on Jul 28, 2012 22:14:22 GMT
He had his heart problems too just after coming back from the Hutton tackle too didn't he, think that knocked the stuffing out of him. By the time he was fit MAf had forced his way back in as a main contender
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Long
Jul 28, 2012 22:18:11 GMT
Post by birdman1811 on Jul 28, 2012 22:18:11 GMT
Oh yes heart problems too.
His return last season, and his performances were fantastic when you consider what he went through. If MAF hadn't woken up at the second half of last season we'd have seen more of Long at his best, but that's football nowadays.
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Long
Jul 28, 2012 22:20:11 GMT
Post by supamart on Jul 28, 2012 22:20:11 GMT
I don't think there are too many within our budget and would have sufficient interest in us to replace Long, who after all, is behind Odemwingie for the goalscorer position and Fortune as a hold up strike r/ lone forward. Before Huttons horror tackle and his back problems last season (Which he continued to try to play through as much as possible, many wouldn't have.) He was looking every inch a Premiership class striker, and one who could displace Wingie as our main goal threat. Thanks to Bulldog face he ended up having a very frustrating first season for us. Given chances I think anyone currently thinking of selling him would be very, very glad we didn't. Agree
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Long
Jul 29, 2012 7:43:12 GMT
Post by Lumpmaster Heath on Jul 29, 2012 7:43:12 GMT
It'd be ludicrous to sell Long.
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Long
Jul 29, 2012 10:32:28 GMT
Post by Fulham Fallout on Jul 29, 2012 10:32:28 GMT
Clarke has stated that no bids have been received and that Long is 100% going nowhere.
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Long
Jul 29, 2012 11:49:36 GMT
Post by rommel on Jul 29, 2012 11:49:36 GMT
HE AINT GOING NOWHERE .............YOU MORONS !!!
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Jul 29, 2012 11:56:11 GMT
Post by Camp Freddy on Jul 29, 2012 11:56:11 GMT
HE AINT GOING NOWHERE .............YOU MORONS !!! "He is going somewhere"
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Long
Jul 29, 2012 12:36:22 GMT
Post by HawkingsHalfpipe on Jul 29, 2012 12:36:22 GMT
Sorry Shep but that's madness IMO. He cost us around what you'd let him go for and we've had his wage burden on top of that. To entertain selling at a loss is just not the way we do business.
That's before you take into account that strikers are the most difficult and expensive players to sign, and this one did well enough and scored goals last year. As has been said above, of not for the Hutton challenge he'd have been on for double figures.
ODW didn't start playing until after Christmas. Long carried us through that period. To sacrifice that for an unknown would be plain stupid.
Sell Cox and use that to get another decent guy in. Sorted.
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Long
Jul 29, 2012 13:28:47 GMT
Post by bb on Jul 29, 2012 13:28:47 GMT
Sorry Shep but that's madness IMO. He cost us around what you'd let him go for and we've had his wage burden on top of that. To entertain selling at a loss is just not the way we do business. That's before you take into account that strikers are the most difficult and expensive players to sign, and this one did well enough and scored goals last year. As has been said above, of not for the Hutton challenge he'd have been on for double figures. ODW didn't start playing until after Christmas. Long carried us through that period. To sacrifice that for an unknown would be plain stupid. Sell Cox and use that to get another decent guy in. Sorted. Yep!
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Long
Jul 29, 2012 13:49:08 GMT
Post by bayliss on Jul 29, 2012 13:49:08 GMT
HE AINT GOING NOWHERE .............YOU MORONS !!! It's the papers, Sundog. I haven't bought a newspaper since 1978, when they said that Regis played a BLIDER, and he wasn't even there. THROUGH INJURY!!!!!
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Long
Jul 29, 2012 14:04:24 GMT
Post by Fulham Fallout on Jul 29, 2012 14:04:24 GMT
HE AINT GOING NOWHERE .............YOU MORONS !!! Double negative alert. So he is off then?
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Long
Jul 29, 2012 14:41:37 GMT
Post by fulhambaggie on Jul 29, 2012 14:41:37 GMT
nonsense before he got injured by that villa thug hutton i thought Long was looking decent good in the air nice turn off pace and young still have to keep for me , agree time for Cox to go never cut the mustard will probably score a shedload in the championship
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Long
Jul 29, 2012 15:14:12 GMT
Post by hungrydave on Jul 29, 2012 15:14:12 GMT
Him and Mozza were the only performers of the first half of the season. His work rate is unbelievable and he has enormous pace. Definitely someone to keep and keeps him working Odemwingie for his place. 8 goals in a season is pretty decent considering it was pretty injury hit.
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Long
Jul 29, 2012 18:34:01 GMT
Post by PB on Jul 29, 2012 18:34:01 GMT
Sorry Shep but that's madness IMO. He cost us around what you'd let him go for and we've had his wage burden on top of that. To entertain selling at a loss is just not the way we do business. That's before you take into account that strikers are the most difficult and expensive players to sign, and this one did well enough and scored goals last year. As has been said above, of not for the Hutton challenge he'd have been on for double figures. ODW didn't start playing until after Christmas. Long carried us through that period. To sacrifice that for an unknown would be plain stupid. Sell Cox and use that to get another decent guy in. Sorted. Long didn't 'carry us' through any period! He had a few good games but to suggest he was dragging the club along through his own exploits is more than a tad stretching it! Still no where near as good as Odemwingie but next summer, Wingie will leave and hopefully Long will have further developed by then to be good enough to lead our strike force. At the moment I don't think he's consistently good enough to do that. We certainly shouldn't sell him.
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Long
Jul 29, 2012 19:15:37 GMT
Post by HawkingsHalfpipe on Jul 29, 2012 19:15:37 GMT
He had a few good games but to suggest he was dragging the club along through his own exploits is more than a tad stretching it! But I didn't say that though, did I? I actually meant that he led the line fantastically given that ODW clearly didn't want to be here at the start of last season. Most people I would imagine read it as such. But next time if I see you are online I will try to be more specific for your sole benefit. Long gave us some great energetic performances at a time we appeared to be struggling with a new formation and a greater defensive ethos, and when our star striker still had his turned head in the clouds. It's lovely though that you agree with me in that we shouldn't sell him.
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PK
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Jul 29, 2012 19:20:27 GMT
Post by PK on Jul 29, 2012 19:20:27 GMT
Selling Long would be a top 10 bad idea in the Long List of Bad Ideas. No pun intended.
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Shep
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Jul 29, 2012 20:20:36 GMT
Post by Shep on Jul 29, 2012 20:20:36 GMT
Sorry Shep but that's madness IMO. He cost us around what you'd let him go for and we've had his wage burden on top of that. To entertain selling at a loss is just not the way we do business. That's before you take into account that strikers are the most difficult and expensive players to sign, and this one did well enough and scored goals last year. As has been said above, of not for the Hutton challenge he'd have been on for double figures. ODW didn't start playing until after Christmas. Long carried us through that period. To sacrifice that for an unknown would be plain stupid. Sell Cox and use that to get another decent guy in. Sorted. I'd only advocate it for that price (ie. c.£5m) if we were to use all the cash, plus the Cox money, to get someone better in. I think there are better strikers available for £7m than Long (most probable via the global search), but the problem would be that other clubs would probably be ahead of us in attracting such a player. As we've both recognised, it's bloody hard getting good strikers in, so I'd have thought it very unlikely we'd sell at this price.
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Jul 29, 2012 20:27:13 GMT
Post by PK on Jul 29, 2012 20:27:13 GMT
The thing is Shep, via the Global Search, we have much more chance of finding a gem of a striker for very little outlay, ala Odemwingie. Aye it's a 50/50 gamble on whether they will be any good, as we know we struck lucky with Pete. HOwever better a 50/50 gamble on little outlay and keeping holding of a player we know is a good striker, than get rid of good striker and pay £7-8m on a striker who again will be a 50/50 gamble.
No guarantees whether a striker will be any good or not. More often than not it's the "gems" that prove to be the best buys, unless we are talking silly top-6 club figures. They can afford to spunk £10m on a player that could fail.
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Jul 29, 2012 20:46:40 GMT
Post by Shep on Jul 29, 2012 20:46:40 GMT
The thing is Shep, via the Global Search, we have much more chance of finding a gem of a striker for very little outlay, ala Odemwingie. Aye it's a 50/50 gamble on whether they will be any good, as we know we struck lucky with Pete. HOwever better a 50/50 gamble on little outlay and keeping holding of a player we know is a good striker, than get rid of good striker and pay £7-8m on a striker who again will be a 50/50 gamble. No guarantees whether a striker will be any good or not. More often than not it's the "gems" that prove to be the best buys, unless we are talking silly top-6 club figures. They can afford to spunk £10m on a player that could fail. Fair argument, Ponner. To be honest, there's always a huge element of risk in us spending £5m-plus on any player, part of the reason we so rarely do so.
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Jul 29, 2012 20:55:21 GMT
Post by PK on Jul 29, 2012 20:55:21 GMT
Indeed. All signings carry an element of risk. Some clubs can afford to financially cover a failure, some can't. We're one of the ones who can't.
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Post by Astlebridge on Jul 29, 2012 20:58:24 GMT
Precisely why we shouldn't go way over the top when we gamble on a player and it doesn't work out. Beattie, Sheryl, Reuben, Cox etc.
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Long
Jul 29, 2012 21:11:52 GMT
Post by PB on Jul 29, 2012 21:11:52 GMT
He had a few good games but to suggest he was dragging the club along through his own exploits is more than a tad stretching it! But I didn't say that though, did I? I actually meant that he led the line fantastically given that ODW clearly didn't want to be here at the start of last season. Most people I would imagine read it as such. But next time if I see you are online I will try to be more specific for your sole benefit. Long gave us some great energetic performances at a time we appeared to be struggling with a new formation and a greater defensive ethos, and when our star striker still had his turned head in the clouds. It's lovely though that you agree with me in that we shouldn't sell him. Sorry, my mistake. When you said that 'Long carried us through to after Christmas', I thought you meant Long carried us through to after Christmas. Think you're over-egging the pudding saying Long led the line 'fantastically' until past Christmas though.
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Long
Jul 30, 2012 7:40:10 GMT
Post by HawkingsHalfpipe on Jul 30, 2012 7:40:10 GMT
Sorry, my mistake. When you said that 'Long carried us through to after Christmas', I thought you meant Long carried us through to after Christmas. Think you're over-egging the pudding saying Long led the line 'fantastically' until past Christmas though. And I think you are forgetting how good he was until the Hutton challenge, and how utterly shit both ODW's form and attitude were at the same time. But I won't lose any sleep disagreeing with you, Prem.
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Long
Jul 30, 2012 7:58:32 GMT
Post by Bibbel on Jul 30, 2012 7:58:32 GMT
Flog, Flog 'em all, The long and the Cox and the Tall, The Odie, the Morrie, the Gera, the Bruntie, etc.
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