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Post by Carew Cut on Jan 5, 2011 23:23:11 GMT
Probably not.
We're on a terrible run, probably worse than anything we've had in the last 15 years, and it shows no sign of ending. It's at times like these when you need experience to help get us out of it.
He has none.
Currently, the players are taking most of the blame, but that's very generous, considering most of the problems are down to basic organization. Something that should be worked on during the week in training.
He doesn't enjoy the adulation of the fans, either. He's never been embraced and had songs sung about him in the same way that Mowbray or Megson did. This means that unless results improve, then Peace will surely act. We've invested more money in this Prem season than any other, so I think he'll be pretty ruthless in trying to ensure that we maintain our status.
Di Matteo's role as 'Head Coach' makes him a lot more expendable too, as removing him won't really involve major upheaval, all he's responsible for is training and picking the team, and our results are showing how well he's doing that currently.
I predict he'll be gone at the end of Feb, after our home defeat to the dingles. A slight shame, but there's nothing endearing about him, he's not bothered about us as fans, or our club (not that the vast majority of managers are, but he's never tried to pretend otherwise).
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Post by mrneil on Jan 5, 2011 23:24:28 GMT
I think that is a right load of bollocks from start to finish.
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Post by ronniewallwork on Jan 5, 2011 23:27:06 GMT
Unbelievable response! Of course he will last season and we will survive whether he lasts his 3rd season if the biggy! If successful other clubs both home and abroad will be sniffing. If we struggle Peace will reach for gun and appoint Poyet! Di Matteo is doing ok. Yes in a slump/run. Beat Blackpool back on track! Probably not. We're on a terrible run, probably worse than anything we've had in the last 15 years, and it shows no sign of ending. It's at times like these when you need experience to help get us out of it. He has none. Currently, the players are taking most of the blame, but that's very generous, considering most of the problems are down to basic organization. Something that should be worked on during the week in training. He doesn't enjoy the adulation of the fans, either. He's never been embraced and had songs sung about him in the same way that Mowbray or Megson did. This means that unless results improve, then Peace will surely act. We've invested more money in this Prem season than any other, so I think he'll be pretty ruthless in trying to ensure that we maintain our status. Di Matteo's role as 'Head Coach' makes him a lot more expendable too, as removing him won't really involve major upheaval, all he's responsible for is training and picking the team, and our results are showing how well he's doing that currently. I predict he'll be gone at the end of Feb, after our home defeat to the dingles. A slight shame, but there's nothing endearing about him, he's not bothered about us as fans, or our club (not that the vast majority of managers are, but he's never tried to pretend otherwise). |
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Post by Elmo on Jan 5, 2011 23:27:37 GMT
Bleeding hell Gramps
I share many of your reservations but I can't see Peace doing such a thing unless support turns
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Post by Carew Cut on Jan 5, 2011 23:30:16 GMT
Before I go to bed, I will just point out for the hard of learning that I don't want him out now, but I aim concerned that he looks a little bit clueless at the moment, and I'm worried about his lack of experience in dealing with these kind of situations.
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Post by Wolves_Caravan_Club on Jan 5, 2011 23:32:02 GMT
I agree that Peace MAY take a different approach this time
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Post by Tippi Hedren's Cat on Jan 5, 2011 23:32:31 GMT
gramps; as people pointed out yesterday, yesterday wasnt the day to drop him with all the defensive changes, but i FULLY expect some bench time for him now.
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Post by bayliss on Jan 5, 2011 23:34:05 GMT
That Gramps lad might be right.
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Post by Carew Cut on Jan 5, 2011 23:35:28 GMT
Bleeding hell Gramps I share many of your reservations but I can't see Peace doing such a thing unless support turns I think Peace would take the view that we'd lose a lot more supporters in the event of relegation, and after seeing what not firing Robson did, he might try something else. Also, does Di Matteo have great support anyway? Yes the away fans were backing him last night, but how often is his name sung at home? |
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Post by Tippi Hedren's Cat on Jan 5, 2011 23:36:50 GMT
agree that if we go down gates will suffer big time.
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Post by Best Bosman of the Summer on Jan 5, 2011 23:37:19 GMT
binning Bucktooth would endear RDM to a number of fans
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Post by WrightyWBA on Jan 5, 2011 23:39:24 GMT
I suppose the fact we have Scott Carson in goal doesnt help mind.
Dont forget this is the same man that saw us beat 3-2 at arsenal, 4-1 at everton and we became the first team in 10 years to salvage a point from Old Trafford after being 2 goals down.
This is the prem and we have no god given right to beat any team, yes its dissapointing but Fulham, Blackburn, Bolton are experienced prem teams with more quality than us. If we was in this position winning 1 week and losing the next it wouldnt be a crisis. But we was on such a high early on the crash is harder than expected.
We punched above our weight earlier in the season. Take solace that we have lost 5 in a row yet we still havent been in the bottom 3 since the first weekend.
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Post by Elmo on Jan 5, 2011 23:41:38 GMT
Bleeding hell Gramps I share many of your reservations but I can't see Peace doing such a thing unless support turns I think Peace would take the view that we'd lose a lot more supporters in the event of relegation, and after seeing what not firing Robson did, he might try something else. Also, does Di Matteo have great support anyway? Yes the away fans were backing him last night, but how often is his name sung at home? How often is anyone's name sung at home. I take your points on though |
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Post by Tippi Hedren's Cat on Jan 5, 2011 23:44:20 GMT
I think Peace would take the view that we'd lose a lot more supporters in the event of relegation, and after seeing what not firing Robson did, he might try something else. Also, does Di Matteo have great support anyway? Yes the away fans were backing him last night, but how often is his name sung at home? How often is anyone's name sung at home. I take your points on though I bet there is someone sat in the smethwick singing about roman bednobs as I type. |
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Post by WrightyWBA on Jan 5, 2011 23:45:00 GMT
Us superfans are too busy signing Mulumbu's song
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Post by rommel on Jan 5, 2011 23:45:17 GMT
The way he continually keeps selecting Carson proves he is clueless. He just hopes things will improve instead of doing something about it . he's certainly gone way down in my estimation  |
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Post by WrightyWBA on Jan 5, 2011 23:49:48 GMT
I dont think he is clueless, i think that he has showed faith in Carson after goals which were debatably Carsons fault, now he has dropped a real clanger i would hope RDM sees sense
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Post by Zizou on Jan 6, 2011 0:14:39 GMT
Probably not. We're on a terrible run, probably worse than anything we've had in the last 15 years, and it shows no sign of ending. It's at times like these when you need experience to help get us out of it. He has none. Currently, the players are taking most of the blame, but that's very generous, considering most of the problems are down to basic organization. Something that should be worked on during the week in training. He doesn't enjoy the adulation of the fans, either. He's never been embraced and had songs sung about him in the same way that Mowbray or Megson did. This means that unless results improve, then Peace will surely act. We've invested more money in this Prem season than any other, so I think he'll be pretty ruthless in trying to ensure that we maintain our status. Di Matteo's role as 'Head Coach' makes him a lot more expendable too, as removing him won't really involve major upheaval, all he's responsible for is training and picking the team, and our results are showing how well he's doing that currently. I predict he'll be gone at the end of Feb, after our home defeat to the dingles. A slight shame, but there's nothing endearing about him, he's not bothered about us as fans, or our club (not that the vast majority of managers are, but he's never tried to pretend otherwise). What a load of tosh. |
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Post by Steady_Mate_Christ on Jan 6, 2011 1:17:53 GMT
An intriguing and stimulating proposition Beefy, there's also perceivably a better standard of out of work managers around at this present time.
However, RDM bounced back from some poor spells last season, i'd expect the chairman to give his coach the benefit for this season. Besides the summer window would seem to be Peace's preference for managers as well as players.
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Post by Carew Cut on Jan 6, 2011 6:03:46 GMT
It's a shame you'd rather try and score points than engage in the debate. I thought better of you than that. |
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Post by Groucho on Jan 6, 2011 7:43:15 GMT
I thought the only song allowed at home this season was the tedious "sing on our own".
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Post by Bibbel on Jan 6, 2011 7:55:52 GMT
Staying up is the irreducible aim of the season. Failure to do this costs 40 fat fish. If Holloway succeeds and RDM doesn't, he's toast - unless he can show he has a plan.
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Post by Camp Freddy on Jan 6, 2011 8:01:48 GMT
I'd be amazed and fuming FUMING if the Head Coach was sacked even in the event of relegation.
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Post by Wolves_Caravan_Club on Jan 6, 2011 8:10:11 GMT
Staying up is the irreducible aim of the season. Failure to do this costs 40 fat fish. If Holloway succeeds and RDM doesn't, he's toast - unless he can show he has a plan. The positions of Newcastle and Blackpool are certain to affect JP's thinking IMO |
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Post by baggienick on Jan 6, 2011 8:28:59 GMT
RDM like others before him is operating with both hands tied. Our glorious chairman has fucked up the season yet again.
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Post by Baggie_Shrek on Jan 6, 2011 8:38:19 GMT
RDM like others before him is operating with both hands tied. Our glorious chairman has fucked up the season yet again. We will always have hands tied in this league. This season they are a little more loosely manacled than previously though. |
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Post by baggienick on Jan 6, 2011 8:45:08 GMT
Means nothing though if the net result is the same - relegation.
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Post by Baggie_Shrek on Jan 6, 2011 8:49:43 GMT
Means nothing though if the net result is the same - relegation. We are not in a bad position still. The next 6 games are the key. We take 10 points + and don't lose to Wigan, Wolves and West Ham and we should still be a good bet to stay up The current form has to change for that to happen though and generally that only happens with a fresh look at our tactics and some new faces in the team. I worry that RDM hasn't the experience to make the right changes. I do cling to the fact that after we got hammered at home to Forest last season he made some changes which eventually lead to us coasting to promotion. It is bad at the moment but it can soon look good again. But we have to make that change happen. We can't just keep sticking the same style team out there and expect it to change in our favour. |
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Post by Groucho on Jan 6, 2011 8:51:17 GMT
Top posting, Shrek.
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Post by Ket The Trow on Jan 6, 2011 9:12:03 GMT
Interesting points from Gramps.
I agree on RDM's inexperience and it was a big risk. Last year the transfer targets when RDM came were primarily from lower league too and the likes of Mattock and Reuban Reid came. But the squad was still strong overall, Dorrans shone and RDM got the results even though performances were often stuttering. So I don't agree he will get the chop, unless he does something silly like rant at the chairman. That would mean Peace having to shell out more for a more experienced manager to justify it, which he was not prepared to do last time.
I don't think JP will push the boat out in January either (when does he ever) so it will be up to RDM to lift the players and make the changes needed to ensure survival. He seems reluctant to change from starting 4-5-1 whoever we play though and also reluctant to drop Carson. He sometimes waits a long time before making a substitution even when we are playing poorly and are no threat, usually it is late in the game when we are trailing. These are things that can be altered that he has control over and could make a significant difference. Changing the keeper though not solving all the problems will be one significant step.
West Ham let in 5 last night and still have conceded less than us. Wolves have won 4 of the last 7 and now have the same goal difference as us and are just one behind. If we can get a keeper between the sticks that gets the rare clean sheet and is not prone to calamitous errors on a regular basis, that has to be worth some points.
I would hope RDM stays though. He will gain from the experience and seems to be a bright prospect for a manger in my opinion. I have pointed out a few things I disagree with above, but he has got plenty right and early results in the season exceeded expectations. You could get experience in and end up with a Ron Saunders scenario.
On another note, I’d love it if Villa went down.
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