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Post by PK on Aug 2, 2012 9:03:59 GMT
Just on the subject of dancing on graves, there are pleny of parents who have lost their soldier children to a Christian Fundamentalist war waged by Bush and Blair, based on a pack of lies. They too will dance when that pair of cunts die. I'll have a bit of a jig too. +1
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Post by baggienick on Aug 2, 2012 9:05:22 GMT
Never liked her or what she stood for but I certainly wouldn't lower myself to celbrating someone's death.
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Post by Dino on Aug 2, 2012 9:06:45 GMT
Just on the subject of dancing on graves, there are pleny of parents who have lost their soldier children to a Christian Fundamentalist war waged by Bush and Blair, based on a pack of lies. They too will dance when that pair of cunts die. I'll have a bit of a jig too. You're back early. When did they start conscription for that war? I must've missed my call up.
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Post by Jammin on Aug 2, 2012 9:06:56 GMT
She never danced for me.
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Post by Kiskos on Aug 2, 2012 9:14:27 GMT
Sheff's arrived. This has a six pager written all over it. I'll check back on Friday. Life is too short. If it's that bad why don't you fuck off altogether? Breaking News Sheff in major sense of humour failure The last time I was told to FODTW was the day we signed Scott Carson and I said he was rubbish. Happy Days!
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Post by Dharma_Albion on Aug 2, 2012 9:16:57 GMT
The British Leyland Productivity Committee Just on the subject of dancing on graves, there are pleny of parents who have lost their soldier children to a Christian Fundamentalist war waged by Bush and Blair, based on a pack of lies. They too will dance when that pair of cunts die. I'll have a bit of a jig too. I'd like to think that the millions of (truly innocent) civilians that were killed had more of a right to dance on their graves. As an aside, you'd have to be pretty fucking mental to ACTUALLY go and dance on someone's grave IMO. Especially that witch's.
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Post by Kiskos on Aug 2, 2012 9:19:16 GMT
especially if they are cremated.
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Post by Jammin on Aug 2, 2012 9:19:55 GMT
As an aside, you'd have to be pretty fucking mental to ACTUALLY go and dance on someone's grave IMO. Especially that witch's. It's like these people have never seen Carrie!
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Post by PK on Aug 2, 2012 9:21:56 GMT
Especially as we'll all be outlived by that remorseless, grim reaper dodging necromancer.
Cor beat 'em, join em.
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Post by dublinbaggie on Aug 2, 2012 9:25:03 GMT
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Post by Dharma_Albion on Aug 2, 2012 9:26:55 GMT
As an aside, you'd have to be pretty fucking mental to ACTUALLY go and dance on someone's grave IMO. Especially that witch's. It's like these people have never seen Carrie! PRECISELY what I was thinking lad.
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Post by Prothero on Aug 2, 2012 9:31:40 GMT
Thanks Sheff. You conveniently ignore the fact (again) that the destruction of volume manufacturing in this country had been underway for a good decade or two before Thatcher was elected. Aided and abetted by timid government and organised labour. If the opportunity cost for the 79-81 shock is the general rise in living standards (up until the financial crisis) then, yes I think it's a price worth paying. So did the electorate when they returned her twice. She never lost a general election. Your comparison with Germany doesn't stand up. German industry never got into the state that ours did in the first place, and benefitted from comprehensive reconstruction in modern factories after the war. Furthermore, anyone who suggests that the Teutonic work ethic is similar to ours is deluded.
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Post by Totally Tropical Tiesto on Aug 2, 2012 9:36:43 GMT
Manufacturing is a very broad sector that is difficult to lump into one debateable point. It's a fact that high value, high spec stuff like cars and heavy duty stuff that isn't feasibly imported due to it's size is currently being manufactured in the UK more efficiently than ever.
Why elso would international brands like Honda and Toyota pitch up here along with the foreign investment that has catapulted JLR into a trend bucking success story?
What has gone is low value mass production basically due to India and China going through their very own industrial revolution at the same time this type of industry in the UK was mainly reliant on aged buildings and out of date plant & machinery that required massive investment that the products produced would struggle to repay.
My own expirience on this is as follows, ten years ago we had a factory that flooded in the rain and was falling to pieces - we lost more time on breakdowns than we were producing due to the machines all being in excess of 30 years old. Our margins were lower than ever due to competition coming from direct imports suspect quality - we were six months away from running out of cash.
Shit or bust - we couldn't afford new machines so to survive had to out source manufacturing to India and China but with a level of control that guarunteed quality. This means we are still here today, without this action we would of been gone at least 8 years ago.
To cut it short, low value production here is dead - it was dead the day we lost any ability to place duty on products coming in to keep our own factories competitive to a level where they could make enough money to both survive and update machines and premises to remain productive.
On celebrating peoples deaths, it says more about the person celebrating that the person who has died imo.
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Post by baronessthatcher on Aug 2, 2012 9:45:37 GMT
Now look here you roustabouts. There has been some frightfully dispicable things said here, and I for one am not prepared to stand for it.
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Post by lisa on Aug 2, 2012 9:52:00 GMT
Now look here you roustabouts. There has been some frightfully dispicable things said here, and I for one am not prepared to stand for it. You should see it when the perv in my office starts posting about my tits.
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Post by The Nation of Ulysses on Aug 2, 2012 10:32:10 GMT
I'm a bit gutted I've not contributed to this but my views are far from the extreme on here, so won't bother.
Just to say, I'm a really rubbish dancer and try to avoid it where possible anyway.
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Post by Totally Tropical Tiesto on Aug 2, 2012 10:36:06 GMT
I've not stepped onto a dancefloor since viewing my wedding video, not a pretty sight.
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Post by Fido on Aug 2, 2012 10:38:21 GMT
I've not stepped onto a dancefloor since viewing my wedding video, not a pretty sight. Fortunately my uncle ran out of tape during our wedding and so there is no evidence of that or even our speeches. He must have stuck a TDK C30 or something!
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Post by The Nation of Ulysses on Aug 2, 2012 10:41:05 GMT
Now look here you roustabouts. There has been some frightfully dispicable things said here, and I for one am not prepared to stand for it. Hello new poster, what are you onions on: 1. Dexys? 2. Villa or Wolves? 3. Worcestershire or Brummie Bears? 4. The yellow steps? 5. Whether Valero is still our player? 6. The quality of the scratchings in the Woolpack?
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Post by ghanaianbaggie on Aug 3, 2012 1:42:04 GMT
Some interesting points of view!
I only have a few memories of the 70s - 3 day weeks for my day, petrol shortages, and my parents struggling to make ends meet because of double digit inflation.
I was lucky, being at school in the early 80s, the troubles didn't directly have an impact on me. But I have done some research to try to find out what happened to our car industry! Now Thatcher can't be blamed for the decline of this, and I wonder how much of what happened in the Automotive sector is similar to other areas of manufacturing?
For instance, look at the terrible mismanagement of BMC, British Leyland, and all the other names that company was given throughout the 60s & 70s. With the exceptions of the Range Rover & the Rover 3500 SD1, that car company didn't release a decent car for a decade (until the Metro). From the early 70s to the early 80s it relied on the Marina, Allegro, Maxi, Princess, and these were not great cars, and the other models it tried to sell were older designs: Mini, Rover P6, as well as various MGs & Triumphs.
As a car maker, its ability to design and put together decent vehicles was pretty shocking. The Marina was based on the 1940s Morris Minor, The Maxi had to use the doors from the landcrap 1800, The Princess was badge engineered to death (and should have been a hatchback). The Allegro was so badly made it became a laughing stock, The Stag overheated, the TR7 was ugly and slow. Its best cars during the 70s were the 1950s Mini, the 1940s Land Rover and the Jaguar XJ6. Build quality was widely regarded as ... quite poor!
We had one of the largest car industries in the world for much of the 50s, by the end of the 70s we had been overtaken by several countries. If we'd have kept in going - properly from the late 50s, 60s and 70s, then we'd still have a decent British car industry now. No reason why British Leyland could not have been as large, if not larger than VW is now - it we'd have sorted out how to design, build and market a decent range of cars. VW (basically) only had the Beetle in the early 1950s, we had a whole range of cars that were valued by the rest of the world!
Wasn't it Thatcher that persuaded Michael Edwards to sort it out?
I don't know, as I've only read about the automotive industry, but I suspect that many other manufacturing business were equally inept in various ways??
As a country, during the 60s & 70s, it doesn't seem as though there were many profitable, efficient and effective businesses? Did thatcher and her policies enable us to become better at creating profitable, efficient and effective businesses??
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Post by Dino on Aug 3, 2012 7:29:15 GMT
What about the Renault Megane? With a mere ninety brake horsepower available, progress is too leisurely to be called fast, but on the motorway in fifth gear the Megane’s slow pace really becomes a pain. Uphill runs become power-sappingly mundane, while overtaking National Express coaches can become a long, drawn-out affair.
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Post by Camp Freddy on Aug 3, 2012 7:30:06 GMT
Is a Prime Minister's job to foster an environment where businesses employing a handful of people can make huge profits for the benefit of a wealthy few or is that just bollocks?
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Post by PK on Aug 3, 2012 7:30:28 GMT
What about the Renault Megane? With a mere ninety brake horsepower available, progress is too leisurely to be called fast, but on the motorway in fifth gear the Megane’s slow pace really becomes a pain. Uphill runs become power-sappingly mundane, while overtaking National Express coaches can become a long, drawn-out affair. You're a shit.
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Post by Dharma_Albion on Aug 3, 2012 7:49:45 GMT
What about the Renault Megane? With a mere ninety brake horsepower available, progress is too leisurely to be called fast, but on the motorway in fifth gear the Megane’s slow pace really becomes a pain. Uphill runs become power-sappingly mundane, while overtaking National Express coaches can become a long, drawn-out affair. What's with the popularity of this post? It's AOTInternet.
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Post by PK on Aug 3, 2012 7:52:00 GMT
Jurassic Park.
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Post by Dino on Aug 3, 2012 8:27:33 GMT
What's with the popularity of this post? It's AOTInternet. It's a universal truth.
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Post by Tenacious S on Aug 3, 2012 8:50:29 GMT
Thanks Sheff. You conveniently ignore the fact (again) that the destruction of volume manufacturing in this country had been underway for a good decade or two before Thatcher was elected. Aided and abetted by timid government and organised labour. If the opportunity cost for the 79-81 shock is the general rise in living standards (up until the financial crisis) then, yes I think it's a price worth paying. So did the electorate when they returned her twice. She never lost a general election. Your comparison with Germany doesn't stand up. German industry never got into the state that ours did in the first place, and benefitted from comprehensive reconstruction in modern factories after the war. Furthermore, anyone who suggests that the Teutonic work ethic is similar to ours is deluded. FFS, how many times do I have to repeat that for the purposes of this conversation I have already accepted that reform was necessary? If that's all you have to bang on about then your argument is absolutely fucked. Are you saying that because manufacturing was already fucked the only thing she could do was to fuck it even further and not bother to try to make things better? That she also couldn't bother to try to replace one sector of the economy by leading a movement into an alternative sector of the economy so that we could maintain employment by, for example, moving to high quality value added goods instead of low quality high throughput goods? Your argument suggests that there was no actual need to reform the manufacturing industry: if it was fucked, and she was going to fuck it further rather than rescue it and turn it into something more successful that made a greater contribution to the country's economy (whether in GDP or employment or whatever), then why not just leave it be to die a death on its own? That raises the possibility that her actions were entirely ideological and originated out of a desire not to improve our manufacturing capacity (she didn't) nor to improve our manufacturing quality (she didn't) and nor to improve the employment figures (she didn't do that either). To my mind that would make her pretty evil.
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Post by Kiskos on Aug 3, 2012 9:01:14 GMT
that actually makes her sound incompetent rather than evil.
Ronald Reagan once said that the 10 most frightening words in the English language are
"I am from the government. I'm here to help you."
I still maintain that Ted Heath was the worst PM in my lifetime and it was his incompetence and lack of courage to take on the likes of Scargill that caused the pendulum to swing to the extreme right. Heath being a totally useless twat created Thatcher.
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Post by jezstatham on Aug 3, 2012 9:42:35 GMT
And he was a crap sailor!!
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Post by Camp Freddy on Aug 3, 2012 10:51:54 GMT
Ronald Reagan once said that the 10 most frightening words in the English language are "I am from the government. I'm here to help you." He was an idealogue. You may as well quote Stalin.
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